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    Default BB 58 ZF issues

    About a month ago I bought the Black Bay Heritage 58 ZF from Puretime. Within the first week or so it stopped running a couple times and would lose a few minutes in a day. I emailed them and the response was "the automatic winding efficient is very low for replica watches, you need to manual winding it often."

    Even though I've never had this issue with other automatic reps (including from PT), I started manually winding the watch. Since then it hasn't stopped, but is still losing about 16 per day. Is this normal? Should I return it for repair? Aside from this, I really like the watch.



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    Swap the movement with a gen ETA or Gen Seagull if you want to keep it forever.

    That's what I did. Sw200-1 on my Rolex exp 1 and it's doing 0 sec a day for past couple months.

    The movement should cost around two hundred bucks I know it's a lot but it's better than the rep ones by a lot

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    Not normal...I have some watches with a2824 or a7750 more then 10 years now, running strong as ever....they are serviced....

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    I have the impression that the chinese A2824-2 is causing more and more problems.

    I had three watches with this movement shortly after each other and all three made the same problem:
    The rotor rotated during manual winding. It's only a small thing for the watchmaker, but it's annoying.

    Use genuine Eta and it's forever without problems.

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    Never had this problem with an Asian 28XX movement, always had a reserve of 24+ hours. I understand from a TD perspective the advice would be to manual wind the movement, no repair costs and the issue is “solved”, not a really good advise imo. If it was my watch I would get the movement serviced since guarantee / sending back to China is no option.


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    Ok, thanks for the replies! I've never had to send a watch back to China, and I know that would be a bit of a risk. I do already have an ETA 2824 that I was going to use for a project but maybe I'll swap it in this one instead.

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    Maybe you aska local watchsmith to have a look first.

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    I don't know any local watchmakers that would work on a rep, but I opened up the back and see that the rotor does rotate when manually winding, and doesn't want to rotate freely otherwise. Is there an easy fix to try before replacing the movement?


    Quote Originally Posted by pagema View Post
    I have the impression that the chinese A2824-2 is causing more and more problems.

    I had three watches with this movement shortly after each other and all three made the same problem:
    The rotor rotated during manual winding. It's only a small thing for the watchmaker, but it's annoying.

    Use genuine Eta and it's forever without problems.

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    show a pic, ....the rotorscrew isn't loose?

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    that looks ok, the rotor isn't "wobbly"? when you hand wind, does the gear turn?
    When you turn the rotor by hand, does the small gear above the balance turn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by capice View Post
    that looks ok, the rotor isn't "wobbly"? when you hand wind, does the gear turn?
    When you turn the rotor by hand, does the small gear above the balance turn?
    The rotor doesn't seem wobbly, but it doesn't turn very freely when I shake the watch. When handwinding, it does turn the rotor, so I'm guessing it might not be lubricated? The small gears do turn with the rotor.

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    it is not supposed to turn freely as it has to wind the mainspring...some asian rotors are too light for the job, a gen ETA rotor could be an improvement to the powerreserve...
    a bit of lubrication wouldn't hurt but I would suggest a full service as it is losing 16s/day...not a big deal but well...

    what is the pr when you manually wind the watch?

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    Possibly the reverse wheels are failing.

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    I haven't timed the full reserve, but it seems like it lasts about 2 days. I'll try removing the auto mechanism and applying a small amount of lubricant to the reversing & driving wheels. If lubricant doesn't help, would it be better to keep the auto part off, and just manually wind it? I may still swap out the movement later on.




    Quote Originally Posted by capice View Post
    it is not supposed to turn freely as it has to wind the mainspring...some asian rotors are too light for the job, a gen ETA rotor could be an improvement to the powerreserve...
    a bit of lubrication wouldn't hurt but I would suggest a full service as it is losing 16s/day...not a big deal but well...

    what is the pr when you manually wind the watch?

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