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    Default OWS- The Genesis of an American Insurgency

    Well now that Fukushima has played out, to the letter, according to what I was saying in mid-March I'm going to move on to the genesis of the OWS movements around the country...

    Back in 2003 we, the people, were warned about the coming insolvency of Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We were told of high risk mortgages being given to people who were nearly insolvent themselves. We were told that regulation was needed. The thing is.. we were told this by the right.

    The left in this country were stalwart against ANY oversight of Frannie/Freddie. Senator Barney Frank in particular stated that Frannie and Freddie were sound and even if they did fail it was not the government's place to bail them out. The video for this can be found using a basic Google search- not going to post it because it's so damn easy to find. During this time the right were villified as racists for not allowing MORE high risk mortgages and as racists again for wanting to disallow welfare income on mortgage applications.

    Fast forward to 2005 when the right under Bush introduced a bill to rein in Frannie/Freddie. Who voted against it? Every single Senate Democrat.

    EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

    In a 45/55 Senate the right did not have the necessary 60 votes to force this Bill through so it dies. Who were the main players in shooting this bill down? Senators Frank, Dodd, Pelosi and Obama. Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks also went on the offensive in the House as well- ensuring that no oversight to Frannie/Freddie was enacted. Here's a link for that one...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_...layer_embedded

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    I did not compile that video, however it's all open source stuff. The commentary is also not mine- I just added this for background and to solidify my point in concrete.

    Now.. who were some of the left's biggest campaign contributors during this time? Surprisingly enough it wasn't labor unions it was... wait for it.... Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This again is fact and be be found at any website listing official campaign contributions.

    Now let's fast forward to our current Administration with the POTUS's answer being it's all Bush's fault as his sole reaction to any domestic crisis. Actually I shouldn't say that- he'll also blame the people who create jobs and stimulate the economy.

    In a recent radio address POTUS stated that "“Every day we don’t act, the same system that led to bailouts remains in place, with the exact same loopholes and the exact same liabilities. If we don’t change what led to the crisis, we’ll doom ourselves to repeat it. Opposing reform will leave taxpayers on the hook if a crisis like this ever happens again."

    I guess he forgot that HE was one of the staunchest opponents to regulating the left's cash cow- Frannie & Freddie.

    Now let's move on to today. We have these "Occupy" movements taking hold everywhere, financed by George Soros (which I find funny since he is definitely one of the 1% these Occupy moonbats are supposedly against). Who in our government is giving these people support? Obama, Pelosi and Frank. Why would they do this? There's 2 theories on this that I have been working on:

    The first is it suits their political purposes- if they can shift blame to "the rich", Wall Street and Bush it increases their chance of re-election. Simple politics tied in with our country's inability to look up fact, coupled with a memory span of a slightly retarded goldfish.

    The second is the one I am actually leaning towards as time goes by. The left engineered the financial meltdown and the devaluation of our fiat currency, the US Dollar. Everything they did from 2002 to today has been to systematically destroy the middle range housing market. They literally hit every single box on the checklist of how to accomplish this, then pencilled in more good ideas at the bottom.

    This allows the OWS movers and shakers (community organizers and proponents of socialism/communism) to organize these so called "spontaneous" rallies which are in reality as spontaneous as the Jeish Mehdi rallies I had to contend with. They defy the rule of law, commit acts of rape, pedophilia and larceny but STILL they retain the support of our nation's highest elected official and top members of the left in both the Senate and House (who created the mess in the first place).

    While stupidity is a more likely answer than ill intent in most cases- in this one the whole thing is being engineered and directed. This is not a spontaneous movement, it is directed and targeted in order to bring about social upheaval. It is the very beginning of an insurgency following traditional lines written down by the likes of Sun-Tzu and Mao.

    They WANT harsher measures to be taken against them to stir up further violence. The media will be used to great effect as the "useful idiots". Protesters will commit acts of violence against police (they already have) and videotape only the police response. They will put this forth to enrage the public who do not take the time to think what might have precipitated the response and swell their ranks. The media will play these videos over and over because news is not about news any more- it is ratings driven entertainment and commentary.

    All it will take is one shot being fired- just one- by either the protesters (most likely) or the police for the beginnings of a new wave of left-wing extremist terror like we had here in the 70's.
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    I should have added that this fiasco plays into the hands of both parties... the right will use the OWS movement to enact tougher laws (think Patriot Act III) which the OWS/left will use to take the insurgency to the next level which will then allow the right to take more oppressive measures etc. etc. etc.
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    Hi! I've never been to your section before. It's lovely. It might just need a woman's touch though.

    But you don't really want to boil down the current financial crisis to a bunch of Fox News/Michael Savage/Rush Limbaugh/Mark Levin talking points, do you? You cannot possibly believe that what has occurred, and arguably is still occurring, is simply because some people bought houses who shouldn't have been. This reminds me of all the people thinking the problems in Greece stem from "lazy people retiring at 53."

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    I love how the proleteriat think that conservatives listen only to Fox news....and they don't realize they've been brainwashed since birth by the liberal media.
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    Thank you Posh. I'm biting my tongue and typing fingers at the moment.

    I find most of it too radical, strange, and silly to put in the time to try to answer but I do have one question. What left wing, domestic terrorism in the 70's are you speaking of. Not the anti Vietnam war demonstrations, I hope? I would imagine you were in diapers at that time of your life.

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    I am at heart a Libertarian however the past 80 years of US politics has been a slow chipping away of liberties and freedoms. From the Interstate Commerce Act to the creation of the Federal Reserve and fiat currency- it has all been about consolidating power.

    Those in the OWS movement are simply useful idiots- serving as pawns in the game being played by old men in smoke filled rooms. On the other side you have Rush/Fox enthusiasts being used by those very same old men.

    The point of this post was to wake people up to the eventuality of an organized and most likely armed resistance movement of leftists being opposed by (too start with) mostly rightist police departments and eventually military units after the suspension of the Posse Comitatus Act.

    We almost had the same situation in the late 60's and early 70's with groups like the BLA and Weather Underground. The failing there was lack of portable communications and lack of independent video sources and outlets. This time they'll get it right IMO.

    The goal of any insurgency is to force the government to enact more and more repressive measures to regain control until the people who didn't care one way or the other are forced to choose sides. This is what is happening here. The OWS people provoke police, the police respond, the response is recorded and posted to YouTube and more useful idiots become enraged and join the movement. The larger the movement becomes the more force is needed to restore order, perpetuating the cycle.

    When you take into account the polarization of the American people due to our two party system the possibility of an active insurgency is quite real. The key to halting the downward spiral is accurate information on both the financing of the movement as well as fact based analysis of the precipitating factors.

    The leftists created the problem then when it collapsed, pointed to business as the cause and pushed the "Big Lie". The right reacts to this pointing fingers back- furthering the problem and the partisan divide.

    There IS a plan here using both the left and the right (ordinary folks) while those in government and the REAL holders of power laugh their asses off, amassing wealth and power for their own uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    Thank you Posh. I'm biting my tongue and typing fingers at the moment.

    I find most of it too radical, strange, and silly to put in the time to try to answer but I do have one question. What left wing, domestic terrorism in the 70's are you speaking of. Not the anti Vietnam war demonstrations, I hope? I would imagine you were in diapers at that time of your life.
    May 19th Communist Organization, Weathermen , Black Liberation Army, Jane Alpert / Sam Melville and associates..

    Now how about the Sterling Hall bombing, City Hall bombing in Portland, Weathermen bombing of the Capitol Building, Gulf Tower bombing in Philly, Trinity College kidnappings, Students for a Democratic Society kidnapping of Columbia's dean, Knifepoint kidnapping of San Fernando's state college officials, Pomona College bombing, Marine Midland bombing NYC, Federal Building NYC bombing, military induction center NYC bombing, Manhattan Criminal Court bombing

    Shall I go on?

    As for a response as to the genesis of the financial collapse of Frannie & Freddie- are you actually saying the Congressional and Senate videos of our elected representatives is somehow faked and fabricated? That the entire Congressional Record as well as the official US Government campaign donation tallies have also been somehow altered to fit your view of how reality should be?

    Talk about tinfoil...

    As for being in diapers- I am familiar with the breakup of Pangea into the continents that we know today. Does the fact that the events happened several hundred million years ago preclude my having knowledge of them? I know what my father did before he was born- how does my birthdate have any effect whatsoever on his history? Logical fallacies really don't have a place in an informed discussion.
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    Whether you are left or right, this IS happening. I'm not sure how deep the conspiracy reaches, or if there is even a conspiracy at all. That said, there is much support for Pat's pessimistic view of the growing movement. However, what matters most to me is the inevitable clashes that will occur -- and grow in their intensity. These protests are a powder keg and the fuse is nearly gone. These protesters want to "fundementally change" America -- remember that?

    I fear that things will get much uglier before they get better -- and the uglier they get, the larger they will become...

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    this has been part of the plan since day one...Glen Beck laid this out ! year ago....and the main street media called him a "conspiracy theorist"
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    Because I lived it. I was in college in the early 70's and I went to Vietnam.

    All those little pissant alleged terrorist acts hardly made the newspapers at the time.

    It was a period of great social upheaval but hardly a terrorist insurrection. And a lot of good came of it, including ending the war.

    And to put all the blame on left wing liberals for the financial melt down is ludicrous when it was the same right wing self absorbed Republican Party that repealed most of the bank regulations including Glass Steagall.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

    And, of course don't forget to watch your Pres GW talking up Fanny and Freddy and how everybody should own a home (whether they could afford it or not).

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    They defy the rule of law, commit acts of rape, pedophilia and larceny but STILL they retain the support of our nation's highest elected official and top members of the left in both the Senate and House (who created the mess in the first place).
    huh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    Because I lived it. I was in college in the early 70's and I went to Vietnam.
    Congrats- you managed to make it through a horrible time in this country and a tropical hell on earth. BTDT but in a drier climate

    Now how does this preclude me having knowledge of domestic terrorism during that timeframe NOW? You are asserting that nobody can know about anything that happened prior to their entering Junior High School??? Yeah- I wasn't alive when Lincoln was killed by Booth so there is no way I could ever know anything about it. Yup... I think the guy is still alive working in February to hock used cars.

    Damn- got to come up with better retorts than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    All those little pissant alleged terrorist acts hardly made the newspapers at the time.
    Wonder how the hundreds of wives and children of the victims of the Weathermen and BLA et. al would feel about you calling the deaths of their family as "alleged" and "pissant". I suppose the Murrah bombing was alleged and pissant or are those terms reserved for those who died at the hands of 70's era socialists?

    I'd also add that when polled journalists rate themselves as either liberal or very liberal. Now I wonder why the tens of thousands of bombings and assassinations of police officers from ambush between 1966 and 1978 didn't get more press....

    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    It was a period of great social upheaval but hardly a terrorist insurrection. And a lot of good came of it, including ending the war.
    A yearly average of 5400 bombings in order to dramatically shift the government's position on the topic important to the bomber's goals is the very definition of terrorism.

    As for good coming of it- how about if someone blew up your wife or children in the furtherance of political goals? Bet your attitude would shift dramatically... then again maybe not. Tell ya what- I'm kinda pissed that I'm behind on my mortgage and I'd really like the bank to forgive the entire loan. Gimme your address and I'll toss a blocks of C4 into your house. A lot of good might come of it after all...

    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    And to put all the blame on left wing liberals for the financial melt down is ludicrous when it was the same right wing self absorbed Republican Party that repealed most of the bank regulations including Glass Steagall.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

    And, of course don't forget to watch your Pres GW talking up Fanny and Freddy and how everybody should own a home (whether they could afford it or not).

    http://youtu.be/GkAtUq0OJ68
    Another logical fallacy... "Well HE did it too!!"

    You're sounding more like a kindergartener caught taking an extra cookie than a college graduate- but then again the bulk of the useful idiots in the OWS movement are college grads so maybe this is what they're teaching...
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    Those boys and girls in the late 60`s and 70`s felt Saul Alinsky and his ideas were how to get what they wanted.
    Rules for Radicals written by him, is for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.
    Many current politicians including our Pres has cited this book as a major influence.
    Is there a hidden agenda behind ows, I think so. Not at first, but it is a loose ship that can be manipulated & they will incite unrest and violence to upset the cart. They are being used just like the many others to further a cause.
    The cause they further is to become a Socialist nation Imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFA437 View Post
    There IS a plan here using both the left and the right (ordinary folks) while those in government and the REAL holders of power laugh their asses off, amassing wealth and power for their own uses.
    I was in a conference call! Sorry. Where were we? Oh, yes, conspiracy!

    The real holders of power are the super wealthy, who are trying to get more and more via corporations and using all outlets of the media to get the plebeians fighting amongst themselves. I'd say it has worked remarkably well. It's outlined brilliantly in Thomas Frank's book What's the Matter with Kansas?
    While you're worried about disenfranchised students, unemployed middle-aged men and women in a park in New York taking up arms (which I highly doubt they'll do), the elite 1% are continuing to amass wealth and power, right in front of all of us. And while it started over 30 years ago, 9/11 made it happen faster, a textbook example of the shock doctrine in action. I know the 9/11 reference seems out-of-place here but it's really not. All these events are connected, as is everything on Earth.

    This is exactly why I slept with George Soros and David H. Koch. I like to hedge my bets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asiparks View Post
    huh ?
    Huh as to the crime or the support of the DNC & it's associated politicians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Posh View Post

    This is exactly why I slept with George Soros and David H. Koch. I like to hedge my bets.


    Oh. My. GOD! I don't care who you are- that right there is FUNNY!!!

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    Pat, I'm not gonna continue this stupid pissing match with you.

    Half of the problems you are blaming on the liberal left, including the Murrah building bombing was directly caused by the extremely radical far right wing, white racist dominated "militias" that are much more attached to the KKK than to any student anti war movement. And they were, and in many cases still are, a lot more dangerous than the OWS movement which has been so far, extremely peaceful and non-violent, considering the crowds that are gathering. They are the 99% peaceful with 1% troublemakers, just like you get in any crowd these days.

    And the BLA, Black Panther Movement and most of the others you mentioned had their own agenda which was totally different than the anti war groups you are so quick to vilify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    Pat, I'm not gonna continue this stupid pissing match with you.

    Half of the problems you are blaming on the liberal left, including the Murrah building bombing was directly caused by the extremely radical far right wing, white racist dominated "militias" that are much more attached to the KKK than to any student anti war movement. And they were, and in many cases still are, a lot more dangerous than the OWS movement which has been so far, extremely peaceful and non-violent, considering the crowds that are gathering. They are the 99% peaceful with 1% troublemakers, just like you get in any crowd these days.

    And the BLA, Black Panther Movement and most of the others you mentioned had their own agenda which was totally different than the anti war groups you are so quick to vilify.
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    Oh. My. GOD! I don't care who you are- that right there is FUNNY!!!

    Funny?

    *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbh View Post
    Pat, I'm not gonna continue this stupid pissing match with you.

    Half of the problems you are blaming on the liberal left, including the Murrah building bombing was directly caused by the extremely radical far right wing, white racist dominated "militias" that are much more attached to the KKK than to any student anti war movement. And they were, and in many cases still are, a lot more dangerous than the OWS movement which has been so far, extremely peaceful and non-violent, considering the crowds that are gathering. They are the 99% peaceful with 1% troublemakers, just like you get in any crowd these days.

    And the BLA, Black Panther Movement and most of the others you mentioned had their own agenda which was totally different than the anti war groups you are so quick to vilify.
    I pointed to the Murrah as an example of right wing lunacy in the way I pointed to the Weathermen as an example of left wing lunacy. Their victims were all victims of domestic terrorist groups and IMO deserve a bit more respect than to be called "alleged victims" nor does any bombing deserve the moniker "pissant". Anytime someone innocent dies at the hands of someone with political statements to make- right or left- the actions taken shouldn't be dismissed as "pissant".

    I also did not at any time make any reference to the OWS or the anti Vietnam protests being linked to any racist movement. The BLA and Black Panthers I included because they have a socialist state as their own endgame and are proud of it. As such they are left wing extremists because they use violence to advance their agenda the same way Bubba out in Montana does with his little group of "Freemen" or "Soverigns" or whatever the eff those nutcase soldier wanna-be jagoffs are calling themselves lately.

    As for the OWS movement being peaceful & non-violent... haven't spent much time out amongst em have ya?

    So far I've seen cobblestone throwing, bottle throwing, urination on civilians in suits and police, the throwing of feces- and this is just the NYC one. Not my definition of non-violent by a long shot.

    The point of my OP was that we already know the right supports big business to the exclusion of everyone else. Common knowledge. The left however has adherents that think they actually care about the citizenry- which they do not. They're in the pockets of big labor- out to fleece the membership for every spare cent they can grab to the exclusion of everyone else.

    I'll even further amend that to the GOP & business and the DNC & big labor. I have a ton more respect for someone who goes out & votes for the American Nazi Party or the American Communist Party than I do for someone who votes for a Republicrat. The former are voting true to their belief system which is how it should be. The latter simply is voting themselves into a world of hurt at the hands of not the 1% but the 0.0001% which are the REAL movers and shakers not only in this country but globally.

    Furthermore the OWS protesters, like the milita members, are being used towards an endgame. Both were/are being manipulated by TPTB towards violent confrontation which is going to result in riots & a generalized breakdown of civility in urban areas. Once this happens you'll see Patriot III (assuming a GOP President in 2012) or the formation of vigilante groups (assuming POTUS' re-election) which will then lead to the erosion of what little freedoms we have left.
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    JohnG, who lives in Spain, posted this over on RWG...

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    It is interesting that what is NEVER mentioned in the press in the U.S. (at least that which I read) is that in fact the occupy part of OWS was in fact inspired by the "indignados" (the indignant) of the Movimiento 15-M, started on 15 May, 2011, in Madrid, to protest a de-facto two party system controlled (they allege) by a greedy financial system which does nothing to protect the interests of the people:

    THESE guys get it. The OWS crowd does not.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-E...ature=youtu.be

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    I support the OWS movement to some degree. There are a LOT of morons there unfortunately.

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