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    Default Vintage Submariner Guide.

    Many of us are interested in vintage Submariners. There are a variety of different models that have been produced, not to mention updates released by Rolex during the lifespan of certain models.

    Many of us are familiar with the 1680 'Red Sub' and the 'James Bond' models. I thought that I would post this information as a reference for those interested in vintage subs.

    I hope that the following reference is useful.

    6200 - Original Submariner.
    Launched in 1953. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with an 8mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Submariner not printed on dial. Dial similar to Explorer style dials of same period. Non-Chronometer A296 movement with 18 Jewels. Larger case than the 6204 or 6205. Larger crown marked Brevet.

    Updated in 1955. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with an 8mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Submariner printed on dial. Included the Mercedes hands. Non-Chronometer A296 movement with 18 Jewels. Larger case than the 6536 or 6538. Larger crown marked Brevet.

    6204 - Launched in two versions
    Launched in 1954. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with a 6mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Submariner printed on dial. Dial revised from 6200. Used the upgraded non-chronometer A260 movement with 18 Jewels. Smaller than the 6200.

    Updated in 1954. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with a 6mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Model name "blacked-out." Non-Chronometer A260 movement with 18 Jewels. Smaller than the 6200

    6205
    Launched in 1954. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with a 6mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Model name not present on dial. Dial revised from 6200. Used the upgraded A260 movement. Same size as the 6204. Smaller than the 6200

    Updated in 1955. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with 6mm crown. No crown guard however depth rating now printed on dial (white). Model name present on dial. A260 movement. Smaller than the 6200

    6536
    Launched in 1955. Upgrade of the 6205 model. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with the 8mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Submariner printed on dial. First time use of the Mercedes hands. Movement upgraded to the non-chronometer 1030 with 25 Jewels.

    Updated in 1956. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with a 8mm crown. No crown guard however depth rating now printed on dial (white). Submariner also printed on dial. Non-Chronometer 1030 movement. First time Bezel contained markers for first 15 minutes.

    6536/1
    Launched in 1956. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with a 8mm crown. No crown guard with depth rating printed on dial (white). Model name also present on dial. Chronometer 1030 movement with 25 Jewels. Bezel with markers for first 15 minutes. Triangle on Bezel painted red.

    6538 - James Bond Submariner (Dr. No)
    Launched in 1955. Upgrade of the 6204 model. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with the 6mm crown. No crown guard and no depth rating on dial. Model name present on dial. Used the upgraded A260 movement.

    Updated in 1956. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with 8mm crown. No crown guard with depth rating printed on dial (white). Model name also present on dial. Upgraded to the 1030 movement. Case upgraded to same size as the 6200 (larger).

    Updated in 1956. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with 8mm crown. No crown guard with depth rating printed on dial (white). Model name also present on dial. 'Officially Certified Chronometer' now painted on dial. 1030 movement.

    5508
    Launched in 1958. Upgrade to the 6536/1 model. Depth rated to 100m (330 ft) with 6mm crown. No crown guard and depth rating on always printed on dial. Model name printed on dial. Upgraded to the new Chronometer 1530 movement. Red triangle marker above 12.

    Updated in 1964. Luminous markers not enclosed by circular border.

    5510
    Launched in 1958. Upgrade to the 6200 model. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with the 8mm crown. No crown guard and depth rating printed on dial. Submariner printed on dial. New Chronometer 1530 movement. Arabic Numeral markers on dial. Red triangle marker above 12.

    Updated in 1964. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with the 8mm crown. No crown guard. Depth rating printed on dial. Printing on dial changed to white.

    5512
    Launched in 1959. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Depth rating printed on dial. Chronometer. 'Officially Certified Chronometer' printed on dial. Submariner printed on dial. New 1560 Chronometer movement.

    Updated in 1965. Depth rating to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Depth rating printed on dial. Superlative added to printing on dial.

    5513 - James Bond Submariner (Live and Let Die)
    Launched in 1962. Depth rated to 200m (660 ft) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Depth rating printed on dial. Non-Chronometer. 1530 movement. Dial marked with Swiss.

    Updated in 1963. Depth rating to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Non-Chronometer 1520 movement. Swiss T<25 printed on dial.

    Navy model launched in 1968. Depth rated to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Soldered strap bars. Large hour and minute hands. Large T printed above depth rating to indicate luminous material as tritium.

    5517
    Launched in 1971 for the British Marines. Depth rated to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Crown with triple-lock. Bezel with 60 minute markers. Soldered strap bars. Large hour and minute hands. Large T printed above depth rating to indicate luminous material as tritium.

    1680
    Launched in 1966. Depth rated to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Depth rating printed on dial. Chronometer. New 1575 Chronometer movement with Date. Raised and flat crystal. Submariner printed in red.

    Updated in 1972. Depth rated to 660 ft (200m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Crown with triple-lock. Depth rating printed on dial. Chronometer. 1575 Chronometer movement with Date. Raised and flat crystal. All dial lettering printed in white.

    16800
    Launched in 1982. Depth rated to 1000 ft (300m) with 8mm crown. Crown guard. Crown with triple-lock. Depth rating printed on dial. Chronometer. New 3085 Chronometer movement with Date. Low-profile sapphire crystal. All dial lettering printed in white.

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    this is good info!!

    why isn't this a sticky?

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    Egads man, the amount of horological knowledge floating around here is quite impressive...glad I joined!!!

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    Yikes! Lots of great info there. Thanks!

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    great info for me a vintage noob, thanks niko.

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    WOW...there is a wealth of information in this post. Great post!

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    Don't you just love it when all your questions suddenly recieve an answer without ever having to ask. Great post

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    Thread has been stickied. Niko that is a ton of good info mate.

    Thanks for sharing it with us.

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    I've always wondered how to work out the differences between all these vintage models and their characteristics.
    Thanks for posting this guide.

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    Here are a few quick pics of my vintage rep collection if anyone is interested:














    Good luck, Arty

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    Thanks Arty just what the thread needed!

    1000 geekbux sent to your account.

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    great info thanx for posting

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    thanks for the photos..

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    Great info and nice rep shots ...

    A favourite seller for these sub reps, perhaps ?


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    Great info and nice rep shots ...

    A favourite seller for these sub reps, perhaps ?


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    Awesome info and great pix!

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    Hi Arty,

    just a quick question. Is the date ring of your RedSub white or silver?

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    very helpful

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    thanks guys for the excelent info!!!

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    Those are a work of art, where the hell do you get them from, can you buy them like that?


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    great info....thanks..

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    very nice indeed.

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    Default Nice - however ........

    you missed the 168000 - slots in between the 16800 (transitional) and the 16610 - only made for about 6-9 months. Has the same case, dial, etc as the 16610, but the movement is from the 16800

    Some were used and issued by COMEX

    Rare as a rare thing.

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    This is a great thread, thanks for all the info

    Now someone just needs to find photos to illustrate them all lol

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