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    Default Date that sits off in the date window, is that a flaw or not?

    Not all dates on our watches are created equal, ha
    Most of them are well centered or pretty much well centered. Though there are some cases when the date sits too low or too high in the date window. Do you consider that a flaw or not? Personally, to me that is a big problem because it is really easy to notice. Misaligned bezel or inner bezel are not so easy to see. Same goes for engravings etc. I just happen to think that an off center date is a flaw because it stands out. What say you?

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    Anything is a flaw if it deviates from the ideal. Whether we accept those flaws is a matter for each individual based on what is important to them. Yes, a misaligned date would bother me, but I might go along with a misaligned rehaut, if it could be corrected. SELs don't bother me too much either, as long as they are not dangling off the lugs.
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    Yes itís big problem for me too. I canít stay with the crocked date especially on modern watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Anything is a flaw if it deviates from the ideal. Whether we accept those flaws is a matter for each individual based on what is important to them. Yes, a misaligned date would bother me, but I might go along with a misaligned rehaut, if it could be corrected. SELs don't bother me too much either, as long as they are not dangling off the lugs.
    I don't know of any rep that is a perfect ringer for the gen; it there was, the gen manufacturers would really be in trouble.
    Here is where I have a problem: it has nothing to do with being a rep or not. It has everything to do with being a quality watch. I don't care too much for 1:1 rep as I do like my watches to speak quality. And a date that's off stands outs so easily, it's a pain to look at, ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximax View Post
    Here is where I have a problem: it has nothing to do with being a rep or not. It has everything to do with being a quality watch. I don't care too much for 1:1 rep as I do like my watches to speak quality. And a date that's off stands outs so easily, it's a pain to look at, ha
    Are well there you have it in a nutshell. High end gen watches are, for the most part top quality, replicas are not. The substance of most good reps will last; i.e. the case and probably the bracelet. Once you start scrutinizing the movement, dial, hands and pretty much everything else, the cracks begin to show; sometimes literally.
    Don't kid yourself that because you are paying $300-$500, you are getting a top quality watch, you are not. You are getting a watch that looks pretty darn close to the rep, but no closer. If you spent the same money on a Tissot, Zenith, Seiko or similar, you will probably get a decent quality watch that will last you a very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Are well there you have it in a nutshell. High end gen watches are, for the most part top quality, replicas are not. The substance of most good reps will last; i.e. the case and probably the bracelet. Once you start scrutinizing the movement, dial, hands and pretty much everything else, the cracks begin to show; sometimes literally.
    Don't kid yourself that because you are paying $300-$500, you are getting a top quality watch, you are not. You are getting a watch that looks pretty darn close to the rep, but no closer. If you spent the same money on a Tissot, Zenith, Seiko or similar, you will probably get a decent quality watch that will last you a very long time.
    Don't confuse quality with replication.
    I'm sorry that you think our super Reps are not great quality watches. JF AP's finishings and details put any Seiko to shame. Only Grand Seikos are better than that. And regarding their durability, please let me tell you that my oldest good Rep is from 2004 and still running well, after 14 years. Even my Gen Breitling had to be serviced after 10 years.
    Back to the original topic though: I think a date well centered is more of matter of everything running as it should. It's similar to a screw down crown that screws all the way, not just a half.

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    I am afraid my minor OCD would never let me be happy with an off centre date.

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    Off center date is a function of two things, the datewheel and the date window. Granted the factories are not the bastions of manufacturing but there can only be so much in terms of tolerances. So the positioning of the date on the datewheel as it appears through the date window can only vary so much (give or take fractions of a millimeter). That generally means if one date is not perfectly centered, most likely the next watch is going to follow in that direction. More or less centered would be more realistic, otherwise, you may be better off getting another watch. Good thing my favorite brand mostly use the same movements, hence the same datewheel and same date window cutout position. So they generally all look fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Are well there you have it in a nutshell. High end gen watches are, for the most part top quality, replicas are not. The substance of most good reps will last; i.e. the case and probably the bracelet. Once you start scrutinizing the movement, dial, hands and pretty much everything else, the cracks begin to show; sometimes literally.
    Don't kid yourself that because you are paying $300-$500, you are getting a top quality watch, you are not. You are getting a watch that looks pretty darn close to the rep, but no closer. If you spent the same money on a Tissot, Zenith, Seiko or similar, you will probably get a decent quality watch that will last you a very long time.
    Don't confuse quality with replication.
    This comment should be made a sticky. Well said sir.

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    It would be an issue for me

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    With prices getting higher I expect quality to get better as well. The date alignment is the first thing I look at for QC. There are some models (the Noob Batman CHS comes to mind) where every watch is off. You have to make a personal decision when that's the case.

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    really difficult to say it's not a problem

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    It's a problem, but in the rep game, unless it's completely off where half the date is in and the other half is out of the window, I don't worry about it. I don't understand why someone will forgo an otherwise perfect rep because of a 0.05 mm offset in the date.

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    Slight off centre is ok but if date is hidden at all it would really bother be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticktockmydickdoc View Post
    It's a problem, but in the rep game, unless it's completely off where half the date is in and the other half is out of the window, I don't worry about it. I don't understand why someone will forgo an otherwise perfect rep because of a 0.05 mm offset in the date.
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