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By-Tor
12-04-2007, 06:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/9Bmz1uz.jpg

Why Yacht-Master?

My forum friends know that I've never been a fan of this watch. Not because I thought the Yacht-Master wasn't a nice looker, but because it simply wasn't a watch for me. And besides, it would be quite pathetic to wear the same watch as Dr. Phil.

All joking aside, this particular version of the YM is very, very good replica, and it certainly deserved a review. Stephane's wonderful pictorial finally did it for me. My only problem was "how?" I still didn't want to buy a watch that I supposedly would never wear.

The solution was Narikaa, our EU-based dealer, who agreed to borrow this watch for me, just for this writeup. I requested it myself, and even before I got back to my computer to reply his PM, the watch was already on its way. Once again, Reg shows why he's considered top class.

This particular YM rep comes from the same factory with the Noobmariner (arguably the best 16610 Sub out of box), "Noob" GMT (the best GMT Master II base ever), and the legendary correct hand stack Explorer II (the black version is probably the best Rolex replica ever). Actually I just received one of these today (later about that in another review).


The term "Noob factory" sounds a bit stupid. Actually it sounds extremely stupid, but just like "MBW" or "TW Best" it's good and useful way to refer to these particular Rolex models.

One very characteristic and unique feature on the "Noob factory" Rolexes is the thick "front rehaut", which is pretty much lacking from all other Rolex reps. MBW/TW models have thick crystals, but the genuine cylindrical look simply isn't there.

This photo of my "Noob" GMT Master II explains what area I'm talking about.

http://i.imgur.com/E2NfRYy.jpg


"Noob" YM has the same thickness and cylindrical rehaut shape, excellent dial (although not quite as good as the Noobmariner and GMT), perfect cyclops/datewheel position and thick crown tube.

There are 2 versions of the "Noob" YM, with very subtle differences. The another version has markings "SWISSMADE" at '6. That variation was reviewed by bklm1234. You can view his article HERE.

That version also has a little bit thinner date font. The markings on my watch is SWISS''MADE. That is just as correct, because genuines come with both dial variations. The date font is a bit bolder on my watch, which I like. I think this thicker date is closer to the gen. Other than that, there are no differences.

http://i.imgur.com/IhKUIFo.jpg



Yacht-Master was introduced in 1992, and the most popular model "Rolesium", which this watch is a replica of, 1997. "Rolesium" refers to "Rolex Platinum", which is a registered trademark. The whole bezel on the genuine YM is made of solid platinum. Naturally, this isn't the case with the $120 replica. How did you guess?

I have never seen a genuine YM in person, but I can only say that the rep bezel looks quite impressive and beautiful. Also the dial has very characteristic, "gnarled" look on the "Rolesium" version, which has been replicated nicely. Also notice the extremely long SEL (solid end link) on the bracelet. This kind of SEL is only used on the Yacht-Master. Gen YM doesn't have a deep rehaut, and neither does the rep.

The YM bezel teeth are a bit different from all other Rolex sports models, and to my eye the rep bezel looks spot on. The bezel should rotate to both directions, which is (again) accurate on the rep. However, the bezel rotation is way too loose on my watch. This should be an easy modification though.

http://i.imgur.com/w6kT270.jpg


YM uses the short and utterly pathetic "GMT/Explorer" clasp, which is used on genuine Yacht-Masters (as a default). The polished surfaces just make it look (and feel) a bit classier.

Crown is a little bit too thick, but extremely well defined. Maybe the best looking replica Rolex crown I've seen.

http://i.imgur.com/F5kAwWc.jpg


This particular Yacht-Master is available in Asian 21J movement, and also in Swiss ETA. The watch in my review is the Asian version, which Narikaa sells for 60 pounds (that's roughly 123 dollars). This price makes it one of the best "value for money" reps ever.

I always knew this was a brilliant rep, but I was still quite amazed when I finally saw it in person. While I'm still not the biggest fan of the Yacht-Master, the collector in me decided to keep this. While the YM is not a "dress watch" in traditional sense, I'm quite sure it'd look fantastic with a black suit.

If you're a fan of the YM (or Rolex generally), I highly recommed this rep, I doubt they can replicate this watch any better. My only complaints are the bezel rotation, and a little bit too small and thin YACHT-MASTER font on the dial. However, some members claim that there are variations on the font color. Other than that... brilliant! This watch proves again how amazing the "Noob factory" Rolexes are.

I'm also very surprised how much better this watch looks in person. It's a bit of an old cliché to say: "Pictures don't do this watch justice", but it certainly is the case with the Yacht-Master. Well... I tried my best.

http://i.imgur.com/FJuDXXJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HpC2XqK.jpg

jiro
12-04-2007, 06:44 PM
Another Classic Review by Sir by-tor~!!!

It's always a joy to read your ever so informative reviews my friend!

This Noob-Yachtmaster aka BKyachtmasters are very well made rep.....

Here's my by-tor wanna be shots of this YM.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/jiro2085/Picture978.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/jiro2085/Picture758.jpg

Guest1
12-04-2007, 06:46 PM
Awesome, purely artistic review ByTor.

Love it man. Im glad I own one of them.

DaveF
12-04-2007, 06:54 PM
I second that. A nice review. I am also glad I own this one.

I bought a carbon fiber strap with red stitching that makes a real nice looking option for this watch.

$~mLuMaN83~$
12-04-2007, 06:59 PM
Thank you so much Bytor! Ive been keeping an eye on the changes that are being made to the YM. The noob models anyways. Looks like they pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. My main problem in the past with the YM was the bezel. The gens have a rounded look to the bezel and the numerals and markers. The model I have now is more squared off. You would notice the difference like night and day when looking at the gen side by side. They have fixed it and it looks perfect. Thanks for the reveiw!!!!!!

By-Tor
12-04-2007, 07:22 PM
Thanks fellas.

Jiro's photos were certainly one factor why I decided to review this watch. Forgot to mention that. Like I said, I'm quite surprised how much I like this.

I will keep this one for sure.

watchaddicted
12-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Very nice Bytor!! I've learned so much reading your reviews! Thanks!In contrast to you I've always wanted a yachtmaster and now it seems time to go ahead and get one!

By-Tor
12-04-2007, 09:24 PM
Thanks for the support, all who bothered to reply. Much appreciated.

I have another review coming soon, and it might be my last one for quite a while.

Kollektor
12-04-2007, 09:58 PM
Mmm... it's on the short list now, after the GMT. BT, thanks as always, Mate. Brilliant everything. Despite the Dr. Phil thing, it's a very classy piece. Tried one on at the AD; really something, the Yachty.

Jiro - that head-on shot of the YM is a work of art. Is Jiro's the same version? Looks like his date is the same thickness.

By-Tor
12-04-2007, 10:39 PM
Mmm... it's on the short list now, after the GMT. BT, thanks as always, Mate. Brilliant everything. Despite the Dr. Phil thing, it's a very classy piece. Tried one on at the AD; really something, the Yachty.

Jiro - that head-on shot of the YM is a work of art. Is Jiro's the same version? Looks like his date is the same thickness.

Thanks man.

Jiro's watch is the same. Just different SWISSMADE text at '6. Both are correct. The date font on his version is a bit thinner.

Reg's initial sales pictures were of the Jiro's version, but he now ships this another version. Doesn't make any difference, really. I prefer the bolder date font myself, but the difference isn't that big.

J-C
12-04-2007, 11:29 PM
Well done yet again BT. Helpful not only for the review, but also good insight into the "Noob" factory. These reviews are a tremendous resource for the community. Answers a million YM questions in one concise review.

Appreciate you putting this together - top notch.

T@H
12-04-2007, 11:47 PM
Nice work By-Tor...You SELL 100 of watches and you don't even know it.

Always love reading your reviews...

I bought mine from BK...lovin it!!!



3 Watches purchased as a result of these wonderful reviews :)
SFSO, Tag Link Chrono, UPO (I owned the BK YM before this review :) )

dtan888
12-05-2007, 12:53 AM
Awesome review as always from By-tor.. I never get sick of reading his review over and over. The information is pack.. and me and my esl.. sometimes need to reread to make sure i dont miss a thing :D :D

Thank you for spending the time doing it... Excellent work

Dan

By-Tor
12-05-2007, 01:17 AM
Thanks guys! Appreciated.

@Dan: I recall you had one of these. Still enjoying yours?

elisiX
12-05-2007, 01:31 AM
Great Review as always.

Is this the same watch that's just been mentioned today as being on XMAS special from Andrew?

Seems like a great buy at $108 shipped if its the case!

DWSmoot
12-05-2007, 02:43 AM
Excellent review as always BT:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks for your time and effort to keep us all well informed!

lbnugroho
12-05-2007, 07:52 AM
I just ordering this one from BK, will deliver soon. Your review make me feel its right decision, TQ By-Tor.

mucrewbtp
12-05-2007, 07:11 PM
I have one of these in swiss eta from BK in the mail to me right now

bklm1234
12-05-2007, 11:02 PM
Excellent review, as always. When I saw it in person in China, I felt the same, better in real life than in picture. The colors are hard to capture in pics. The red on "Yacht-Master" is dead on, which is something other versions can't match. King and Josh and Andrew carry a newer Yacht-Master based on 2892 movement. The dial, I suspect, is the same as this one.

There's a lot of variance, as always, on this watch though. The crystals can be too low. The reason is in the inconsistency of the crystal thickness. I got quite a few with only 1.8mm or less in thickness. The proper thickness is 2.0mm or more. There is an other inconsistency making the crystal look low, it's the crystal bay being too deep in the rehaut. In one incident, I put a 2.0mm crystal already in and still the crystal looks low. Anyway, I had to order spare crystals in preparation of getting these low crystals.

Oh, another thing about this watch is the bezel insert tends to fall off. I pop and reglue every insert now. I found the inserts 90% of the time are not glued on very tight. I gently pryed them and they came off. No wonder they tend to fall off.

-bk

Mark Phelps
12-06-2007, 02:26 AM
I have another review coming soon, and it might be my last one for quite a while.

Say it isn't so, By-Tor :(

I trust your reviews most!

By-Tor
12-06-2007, 04:27 AM
@Mark: Thanks mate.

No, no, don't get me wrong. I'm not quitting or anything. But I'm kinda full, regarding new watches. I sincerely can't believe how amazing my small collection of 8 watches is now. It's perfect.

Did lots of buying and trading this year. I simply can't see myself buying so much new stuff in 2008. That means less reviews. But then again I said the same thing last year. :D

ausall
12-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Once again enjoyed your review. By-Tor, you're truly a valued member and master reviewer of the community. :)

By-Tor
12-09-2007, 05:37 AM
Just an update to this review:

I tested the power reserve of my Asian YM: 44 hours! Pretty damn impressive. Accuracy: +4 seconds / 24 hours. Not bad, either. Of course these Asian movements have variation.

I also found out that this watch has excellent quality thick springbars. Best I've seen on any Rolex rep.

Man I'm happy I bought this watch. Besides the Noobmariner it's the best value for money rep I've seen.

PS: I have tried to change all pictures in people's replies at here and RWG, and made them clickable (not to use img-tags). It decreases the loading time of the review itself. Sorry for editing people's posts (Jiro's amazing shots in this thread for example). I hope people won't mind.

njespo
12-09-2007, 08:57 PM
thanks by-tor....because of your review (another excellent one btw), i have retrieved my yachtie from the winder and am putting my sfso in its place for a while...i have the same one mentioned in your review, though with the eta, and it will always be one of my faves...

thanks again for the great review!

neal

By-Tor
12-11-2007, 03:21 AM
Just FYI: I constructed a comparison picture of two genuine Rolex Yacht-Masters, which clearly shows the difference in the YACHT-MASTER font boldness.

From the same site (Blower's Jewelers UK), and apparently the same photographer. The difference is apparent.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/ym1.jpg

Jackjo
12-11-2007, 04:36 AM
That comaprison picture is pretty amazing. I might have to try the Yacht Master again. Do the marker have a shiney look to them or are they a matte white like the gen?

Very nice work By-Tor!

Smittyscook
12-11-2007, 05:44 AM
What's your opinion on the second-hand sweep of the 21j as opposed to an ETA or gen?
Does it make it immediately noticeable as a rep?

Jackjo
12-11-2007, 02:55 PM
Depends on if it a 21j with the 28.8 movt or 21.6. The differrence would 6 beats per second for the 21.6 and 8 for the 28.8.

By-Tor
12-11-2007, 05:16 PM
What's your opinion on the second-hand sweep of the 21j as opposed to an ETA or gen?
Does it make it immediately noticeable as a rep?

The standard Asian 21J sweeps at 21.600, and ETA sweeps at 28.800. So there IS a difference.

People who haven't owned Asian 21J versions before might be surprised how small the difference is (when they receive their first one). But under close inspection you'll see the difference, if you know what you're looking for.

Detecting it from someone's wrist: pretty much impossible.

But then again, if you're paranoid about someone "calling you out", go for the ETA. Hand winding has very different feel as well.

Jackjo
12-11-2007, 06:36 PM
There is such a thing as a 28k asian movt also. I have one but it broke. The sweep was very smooth though.

By Tor, Did you see my question regarding the markers? I was wondering if they have the plastice shine to them like the other Yacht Masters reps that I have had.

By-Tor
12-11-2007, 08:31 PM
That comaprison picture is pretty amazing. I might have to try the Yacht Master again. Do the marker have a shiney look to them or are they a matte white like the gen?

Very nice work By-Tor!

I'm not sure if I'm following here.

I don't think they're "matte white" on the gen. I thought they're made of white gold, just like all Rolex sports model hour marker indices.

They appear "metallic", and the appearance/color is whatever is reflecting back from them. If you use a white reflector card when shooting the watch... sure... they will look matte white.

Jackjo
12-12-2007, 12:08 AM
No I am referring to the lume part of the markers. The reps generally are very shiney and plasticky.

scdude
12-25-2007, 04:03 AM
another good one. Thanks By-Tor

Mr Speedy
02-21-2008, 09:32 AM
Another impressive review and pictures. I want this watch now. :)

Sorry for the noob question, but how can I contact Narrika?

By-Tor
02-24-2008, 12:30 AM
Another impressive review and pictures. I want this watch now. :)


Thanks man.



Sorry for the noob question, but how can I contact Narrika?

Send him a PM, it's no rocket science. ;)

This is his section:
http://www.repgeek.com/forumdisplay.php?f=53

R2D4
03-11-2008, 02:50 PM
No I am referring to the lume part of the markers. The reps generally are very shiney and plasticky.

I thought I was the only one who had a problem with the plastic dots. I honestly did not realize the gen had a matte finish until I went shopping about a month ago. I really have seen a lot of Reps on people that I assumed were gen.

Nice review By-Tor and for the record I am a 28.8 only man. I recieved a raffle 21.6 that I thought I could get used to but 28.8 just makes it look that much smoother. I believe I can tell or claim that I can tell anyway. ;)

osirion666
07-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Hey sorry just need to clarify something this IS the YM Narrika is currently selling right?or am i mistaken cos i was planning on buying it and will most likely do so after this excellent review

By-Tor
07-15-2008, 08:55 AM
Hey sorry just need to clarify something this IS the YM Narrika is currently selling right?or am i mistaken cos i was planning on buying it and will most likely do so after this excellent review

Yes, at least this is what he used to sell. PM him and ask if he has any in the stock... or perhaps you have to "pre-order" one?

Happy hunting!

ikiestik
10-19-2008, 11:04 AM
This is going to be my first rep im pleased to say but im opting for the blue dial should post pic next week some time :)

pagesessoms
02-22-2010, 01:34 AM
This was a great review. I now know my YM is right on or as good as it can get..

Rolex0815
05-26-2013, 05:36 PM
great watch !

mysfit
12-26-2013, 08:35 PM
Nice review