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By-Tor
04-23-2008, 10:52 PM
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/noobtitle.jpg

Stephane, Jetsons and Tribal have their Subs, Q has his McQueen, Freddy and Ubi have their Daytonas, Kenberg has his Mickey Mouse watch... but when it comes to Rolex I have always been a "Pepsi" man... just like Magnum before me.

16710 GMT Master II has become my obsession. I have written many, many reviews of it. Too many. I'd love to promise you that this is my very last 16710 writeup, but you never know...

The newest of my many GMT rep reviews is the "GMT buying Guide". (http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=3906) This watch is the exact same "Noob factory" GMT which was compared to Joshua's very nice "Retro" version.

What makes this one special then?

Well this watch has the excellent dial AND correct hand stack. The only other member in the community, who owns this rare bird (as far as I know), is bklm1234. This rep with good dial was only very briefly available. bk bought his copy from Paul long time ago. My friend Stephane also owns this same correct hand stack model. Actually his rep is even more harcore... it's a franken with genuine dial. See it HERE. (http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=55915)

The wrong stack "Noob" GMT 16710 is an excellent replica, and I never really thought the stack was such a big deal. I just recently traded my other "wrong stack" rep away, but I still have one left (and I'm planning to keep it too). Pugwash installed a genuine crown on it (special thanks to JustAsGood for providing the crown).

So where did I get yet another GMT, and where did this watch suddenly come from?

Our new dealer, Eurotimez, sold me this one. He said it was the absolutely LAST one in the factory, and he especially wanted to grab it for me, because he knew I had been looking for one. When he told me, I was quite amazed. It's pretty funny how some replica models become collector items, just like the gens. bklm didn't want to sell his version (no matter what I offered) so I already had given up all hope finding this. Actually I had already put away $5K for a gen, which I was going to buy later this year.

The Noob GMT dial is the best rep Rolex dial I've seen. Photo is of my wrong stack version (genuine on the right).


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/repgen.jpg

I already have the correct stack Franken-Explorer II (http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=8016), and this watch is a great addition. The big excitement of this hobby is the searching and waiting, adjusting, modding... and occasionally finding something great. I doubt I could get the same excitement from the gens. Yeah, being an Ultimate Geek is a bit embarrassing, but not that much when I'm among the people who understand. :D

Here's my other "prized rep possession", the franken Explorer II, from the same factory.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/1-5.jpg

Once again, this particular watch, "Noob" GMT needs some modifications before use. bklm1234 offers them at the RepGeeks. Read about them HERE. (http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=12971)

The original bezel looks very bad (it has dull teeth) and it has to be replaced. It's very, very tightly installed on the watch, and there's only one advice when removing it: Use the Force Luke, and May The Yoda Be With You!

Replacement bezel is easy to install, and personally I modify the crown guards myself. It's a piece of cake, you don't even have to take off the crown and the stem. If you're afraid of this, you can pay some extra and let bk to take care of it.

I use THIS (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/file.jpg) kind of very thin hand file for the cg's. As you can see from THIS (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/file2.jpg) picture, there's enough space between the crown stem and guards, so you can "straighten" them out. Of course you can't do that properly when the bezel is installed, the pic is just for demonstration. You also need a new bezel insert. Personally, I have used the Jewelryoutlet Pepsi insert, which is good enough, and the Pepsi version has perfect colors. My watch also needs a smaller crown, and Q promised to change one for my watch later.

Okay, quick mods have been done and it's ready to be worn. Let's cut the crap and put it on the wrist!

Deep rehaut, correct hand stack and excellent SELs. My new watch also has better GMT hand, which is a little bit too thick on the wrong stack version. Life is good, which proves that even Klink is sometimes right!


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/5-5.jpg

Special thanks again to ***Eurotimez*** for finding this watch & bklm1234 for another replacement bezel. Also big thanks to my friends JustAsGood and Pugwash for working on my other "Noob GMT".

PS: This old correct hand stack ETA modification is known to be potentially problematic (http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=12422), but I've been rather lucky with them. Once again, rumor has it that the factories are working on a NEW correct hand stack ETA movement for the upcoming ceramic version. That is good news, and let's hope they make a "reissue" of this "Noob" 16710 too. Even if they don't, with a movement swap you can probably build a correct hand stack 16710 later (if you have one of these base watches laying around).

If you're a classic 16710 fan, I highly recommend buying this replica model. Wrong or correct stack, it's a real catch... and might not be available forever.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u214/tp2112/99s.jpg

bklm1234
04-23-2008, 11:16 PM
Congrats, By-Tor. You've been looking for this for quite some time. I think we both are holding onto ours and not letting go. I really like this batch of bezels, thicker and have nice and sharp teeth.

-bk

J-C
04-24-2008, 01:20 AM
A level above and beyond - well done BT. This watch has always been one of your favorites and its fitting this is one of the best reviews.

:applause:

By-Tor
04-24-2008, 01:21 AM
Thanks bk. And thanks again for the bezel.

The bezel is definitely one of those things that you won't notice immediately. You only see that the watch looks "wrong" somehow... it's small but very important mod, imho.

By-Tor
04-24-2008, 01:23 AM
A level above and beyond - well done BT. This watch has always been one of your favorites and its fitting this is one of the best reviews.

:applause:

Thanks man... appreciated. It was a real pleasure to finally get my "holy grail" rep. :thumbup:

Kollektor
04-24-2008, 02:10 AM
Awesome review. I'm so happy with my BK Master - the correct handstack would be an added bonus, but I'm just fine with it as is.

By-Tor
04-24-2008, 02:28 AM
Awesome review. I'm so happy with my BK Master - the correct handstack would be an added bonus, but I'm just fine with it as is.

Thanks man.

Yeah, you SHOULD be happy with it... the wrong stack Noob GMT is a great, impressive rep. I still have one, and will going to keep it too... it's nice to have the red/black bezel version too.

The only thing that bothers me a little is the thicker GMT hand. For some reason the correct stack version uses much thinner one. :rolleyes:

PS: If somebody ever want to change the hand, I can tell you that the GMT hand from the "Retro" version doesn't fit. Pugwash tried to do that for my wrong stack GMT, but no luck there.

Kollektor
04-24-2008, 05:07 AM
Mmm. I noticed the GMT hand thickness too.

rex450
04-28-2008, 10:03 PM
The GMT pepsi looks almost 100% like the gen. You can see it in my forums. I should have taken side by sides when the rep was here at my shop.

Nice watches bud.

By-Tor
04-29-2008, 02:18 AM
The GMT pepsi looks almost 100% like the gen. You can see it in my forums. I should have taken side by sides when the rep was here at my shop.

Nice watches bud.

Thanks man. Yeah, the only thing that doesn't look great on this rep is the crown. I have a friend who exchanges that for me.

I agree, with good mods this watch is extremely close. With black ExpII this is among the best ever Rolex reps, imho.

onexchef
04-29-2008, 02:36 AM
Congrats By-Tor
Mine has the correct hand stack. Good dial? My eye isn't keen enough to tell.:confused: Comments?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/onexchef/DSC00470.jpg

By-Tor
04-29-2008, 03:11 AM
Unfortunately you have the bad dial version. Look at the ROLEX text and the coronet... they're too small... more like Explorer II size.

But no biggie really. If you can't see the difference, I doubt anyone else except super-geeks like me can. :D

It's still a great watch... correct hand stacks are so difficult to find these days. Enjoy! :)

onexchef
04-29-2008, 03:19 AM
Thanks By-Tor!

FiFi
05-01-2008, 05:30 AM
BT -- Thanks for the pics, man! I was in NC 2 weeks ago looking for a house, stopped in at a model home, talked to the on-site salesperson, and he noiced my rep Pepsi GMT. He said something like, "Is that a Rolex GMT? The one like Magnum?" I gave him a weird look, and replied, "Yeah, it's a GMT Master II. Who's Magnum?" He gave me the same strange look and said, "Who's Magnum? Magnum PI!"

(This guy was about my age...mid 30s...and I watched Magnum PI in my early teens, but I couldn't tell you what kind of watch Tom Selleck wore on the show!)

I didn't end up buying a house from him, but thought I knew too much about watches. I had nothin' on this guy! Talk about a watch geek :)

Emperor Penguin
06-14-2008, 06:09 AM
Forgive me for being such a novice, but what does "correct hand stack" mean? Can someone post pictures of what an incorrect hand stack is?

dtan888
06-14-2008, 06:20 AM
Forgive me for being such a novice, but what does "correct hand stack" mean? Can someone post pictures of what an incorrect hand stack is?


Incorrect hand stack follow by this order from the bottom
GMT hand, hour hand, minute hand and top is second hand.

Correct hand stack per genuine rolex as By-Tor beautiful Pepsi is
Hour hand, GMT hand, minute hand and top is second hand

Dan

Emperor Penguin
06-14-2008, 03:01 PM
Incorrect hand stack follow by this order from the bottom
GMT hand, hour hand, minute hand and top is second hand.

Correct hand stack per genuine rolex as By-Tor beautiful Pepsi is
Hour hand, GMT hand, minute hand and top is second hand
Dude, can't we just open the watch and simply replace the hands ourselves? I know that's a far-fetched idea, given that we amateurs are likely to mess the whole watch up. Instead, would it be easier for us to take the watch to a local watchmaker, tell him it's a fake, have him replace the hands, and slip him fifty bucks to keep his mouth shut?

Dave123
06-14-2008, 03:07 PM
The Emperor has spoken.....:lol:

ronb
07-15-2008, 07:45 PM
I just purchased a new GMT II from King. It is model no. Rolex 443 with Swiss 2836-2 movement. Should be arriving tomorrow. Is this the same version you reviewed? I thought it was since it referenced the "adjust hour"and looks like CHS with a beautiful movement as well. Could not absolutely confirm that King understood waht I meant about handstack but the website "looks" correct.

By-Tor
07-15-2008, 08:04 PM
I just purchased a new GMT II from King. It is model no. Rolex 443 with Swiss 2836-2 movement. Should be arriving tomorrow. Is this the same version you reviewed? I thought it was since it referenced the "adjust hour"and looks like CHS with a beautiful movement as well. Could not absolutely confirm that King understood waht I meant about handstack but the website "looks" correct.

No.. unfortunately it's not the same watch. It's an inferior model from a CN factory that has cyclops and datewheel positioned too right, and not so good crown guards. Not a bad rep though.

The movement, I believe, is basically the same. With correct hand stack.

ronb
07-15-2008, 09:52 PM
Just arrived (early). It Looks beautiful. Always have to resist the urge to remove the plastic with an exacto and damage the bracelet (too much excitement when these arrive). But as is the case about 1/2 the time, the bezel insert that shipped was the "pepsi" style not the black as I had ordered. Perhaps they will send me a black one to replace or change out since it "seems" easy. I have the red/black ICHS from Trusty about year ago and this one allows the crown to set hour hand but the GMT hand does its own thing. I guess this is what the gens do if I recall? At least I don't have to synchronize them to align on the numbers anymore.

Is the ICHS actually the CHS for the earlier model GMT II's? If so, perhaps I can just order an applied marker dial from someone and it would look gen (I assume the GMT hand was moved up to clear the 5 minute markers. It is the reason that the ICHS versions have a bent hand)?

What is the best source for bezel insert? Perhaps I can just order one and glue it in. Have not done it before but seems like an exacto knife and super glue job and I am done. Someone noted that these could get bent easily upon removal.

By-Tor
07-15-2008, 10:37 PM
Enjoy your new watch Ron.

Get this insert from Ebay (all black).

http://tinyurl.com/64pwlq

casus1belli
08-02-2008, 01:07 AM
Dude think about what your saying don't you think if it was that easy we would all be sporting correct hand GMT and bytor wouldn't have to review his


Dude, can't we just open the watch and simply replace the hands ourselves? I know that's a far-fetched idea, given that we amateurs are likely to mess the whole watch up. Instead, would it be easier for us to take the watch to a local watchmaker, tell him it's a fake, have him replace the hands, and slip him fifty bucks to keep his mouth shut?

By-Tor
08-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Just an update:

This beautiful rep is DEAD... the dreaded hour hand gear of the CHS movement is completely broken... over and out.

The problem is that no spare parts are available and the movement is trashable.

I will keep this watch, just in case the spare parts become available in the future. I'm not holding my breath though.

It finally dawned on me: The CHS movement is CRAP... and all members should avoid it like a plague. According to reports, the new chs movement version in the GMTIIc could be even worse.

There's more talk about it in this (http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=78321) thread.